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April 24, 2016 By Christian Murray
The quarter-page ad in Friday’s issue of the Woodside Herald is direct:
“Together we Stay, Stop the Phipps Development!”
The ad was placed by a new group called the Queens Anti-Gentrification Project that was formed eight months ago by a handful of Sunnyside, Woodside and Jackson Heights residents.
The group is opposed to the construction of a 10-story, 220-unit residential building proposed by Phipps Houses to go up at 50-22 Barnett Avenue (see details below). Its members will be holding a public meeting at the Sunnyside Community Services Center on Thursday to discuss ways in which to block the development.
Phipps needs to get the property rezoned in order to move ahead with the project. The company said that 100 percent of the units will be designated as “affordable.”
Dan Raymond, a co-founder of the Queens Anti-Gentrification Project, said the group is comprised of about six core members who believe that the gentrification wave is beginning to seep into Woodside, Jackson Heights and farther east.
He said his aim is to put the brakes on further gentrification in Sunnyside and the rest of Queens claiming that it is leading to higher rents, overcrowding and the loss of family-owned businesses.
He said that his group wants to make sure what has happened to residents in some parts of Brooklyn and Long Island City will not play out here.
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“The hardworking people who made these [Brooklyn] neighborhoods… are now being forced out because of higher rents,” Raymond said. “The small immigrant businesses are disappearing and the big stores are moving in. We all see it.”
The group’s attention is currently focused on the Phipps development for now and organizers expect about 40 attendees at Thursday’s meeting.
Raymond said that they thought the 10-story Barnett Avenue project was taken off the table after Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer held a public meeting with Adam Weinstein, CEO of the Phipps, last October and the audience was mostly opposed to it.
Phipps, however, announced on March 28 that it planned to go ahead with the developed and filed a formal application for a zoning change with the Department of City Planning.
“We decided it needed to be stopped,” Raymond said.
He claims that the project will lead to further gentrification despite the units being “affordable”.
The term “affordable” is a tool used by the administration to confuse people, he said, so they think development is good for their community.
The rents being charged for “affordable” units are still pricey and people are growing wise to the fact, he claimed. He used Long Island City as an example.
In Long Island City, the rent for 80 percent of the 925 affordable apartments in the Hunters Point South development were relatively high. Studios ranged in price from $1,561-$1,997; 1 bedrooms $1,965 to $2500; and 2 bedroom $2,360 to 3,300.
“People are starting to work it out that they are being tricked by developers and politicians [when they use the word affordable],” he said
He claims that with further development– whether it be “affordable” or market-rate projects– rents move higher, leading to long-time residents being forced out.
He said his group is discussing ways in which to combat gentrification by calling on the city council to implement a rezoning freeze or a rent freeze. “These are ideas we are thinking about.”
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Meeting Details:
Thursday, April 28 (7:00-9:00pm)
Location: Sunnyside Community Services (43-31 39th Street)
Barnett Project Summary – 2016-April by Sunnyside Post
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So glad that I am not the only thinks a little Gentrification isn’t so bad for Sunnyside. It’s going to be an improvement to the neighborhood. Right now the Barnett Ave area looks like a dump and several crimes happened around there already.
THIS VOTE WILL MAKE OR BREAK JIMMY VAN BRAMER’S FUTURE POLITICAL CAREER. THIS IS HIS FINAL TERM IN THE CITY COUNCIL. IF HE WISHES SUNNYSIDE WOODSIDE SUPPORT AND VOTES IN HIS NEXT POLITICAL OFFICE, HE NEEDS TO VOTE NNNNNNOOOOOOOO!!! ON THE PHIPPS PROPOSAL.
SPEAK LOUDER SO WE CAN ALL HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING!!!
@uselesstwit…
your comments useless as I’m sure you are to society…
@ supertwit….
funny…. why is it all red area for crime over Sunnyside Gardens which also happens to be all the rental areas…..
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Sunnyside-Queens/5245/crime/
After looking over your posts, I fear you are starting to become unraveled.
Not at all…didn’t think they posted the other comments …. just calling it like it is…. Funny you doubt the crime in the area… do you live in the area?… seems you might have something else as an agenda that is all pro building of so called affordable housing makes me wonder what your intentions and who you are….. again… the meeting has happened and we can only wait and see….by the way…the Kopper Kettle is not renewing it’s lease and will be gone in 3 years… I found out the owner of the grocery store which owns that whole block is planning a high-rise right there…. I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before the opposite side of the street where it is single story is looking at air-rights also….
P.s. nice try to come back at me like that instead of trying to show stats proving I was wrong or something… Your name doesn’t seem too fit…..
Why are you writing this way…? Never mind, don’t care; your posts are not interesting.
@uselesstwit…
your comments useless as I’m sure you are to society…
This really upset me at first… but then I did research on this… I compared Steinway Estates affordable housing project and then I thought about my buddy and how it could help him… this is not section 8 and seems the qualifications required are a decent standard… so i don’t want to bash affordable housing and it’s a good thing if all of us could benefit which is not the case…. The population increase is a very big issue and without the infrastructure would only put a burden on the area… From what I read… they will only get 2 more trains an hour with all the updates… Well the final meeting happened and all we can do now is wait to see our fate….. Good luck all…..
this is what someone left as a comment to news story about a recent stabbing in Jackson Heights………….
“@Nacho Lets see the addresses of these perps when they are arrested. You know their addresses won’t be in Donnelly Gardens, Elm Court, Chateau or the Towers. I have lived in Jackson Heights long enough (52 years) to know where the street thugs come from. As a Latino I also know what harm turning a blind eye to the facts can do..As a property owner and long time property manager in the area. I also know what dead beats the voucher program participants are. Of all the properties I managed through my company, the only people who we needed to bring eviction proceedings against or caught engaging in criminal activities were the people in these programs, which is why I withdrew the company from participating in the program years ago. If you truly want to make Jackson Heights a better community say to no to low income housing. Facts are facts. Thanks for playing the Latino card instead of addressing the facts.”
this is what they are proposing for our little gem of a community of SunnySide Gardens….
@ Scoler….
Your comment is useless in this discussion as I’m sure you are to society… getting back to the topic… this area is changing and right now it’s not for the good…. Crime is spiking in the area… Who causes this … not hard working people trying to make their life better… only way to push the crime out is to push it out further… gentrification is the only way…
Who says crime is spiking? Not data released by the Police department. Crime is WAY down- are you relying on headlines or factual data?
What do you do??? work for the politicians??? Compared to the Eighties …. yea it’s way down… compared to 10-8 years ago… Well let’s just I used to go out late at night 10-8 years ago and not really have to look over my shoulder when walking… I’m not the only one that feel this way… I didn’t really think much of it honestly… I work from home a lot late at night and always out on my balcony and don’t see much in my area….until I started talking to lots of other people in the neighborhood …. but hey …. if you feel safe… good for you… I don’t as much… Oh…without even trying hard searching for current data…. there is a nice red area of less safe territory in this crime data right over sunnyside gardens… wish it was different… doesn’t seem to be the case…
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Sunnyside-Queens/5245/crime/
Funny….the more I look at it…. all the red is over the rental apartments… huh… who would of guessed…
Whoa…so many ellipses…stream of consciousness…random, disconnected thoughts…inability to write a paragraph…failure to proofread before posting…why can’t Johnny read or write…our schools need to teach literacy more effectively so the USA moves up from its rank at #37…so much money for education, so little in return…
The area is over crowed… imagine 200 more people on the subway platform during rush hour…. another possible 600+ people in the community… not too mention who gets these apartments????? why is it fair for them too get it not just everyone or no one… I worked hard to own a place here… not asking for hand-outs… you want rent stabilized…. buy your place… otherwise… don’t need more beggars in the area… gentrification would be the best thing for this area in the long run… with this building it’s just gonna turn into another hood in the city…
You are a financial snob. Your money has taught you nothing but greed.
Hahahaha… I’m no richer than anybody else… but the reality is what it is when it comes too what we are talking about… there is no Utopia for free… gotta pay for it one way or another … society doesn’t need freeloaders…. which you must be one for the way you come across in your reply….. I make no more money than what they plan on putting in this so called affordable housing…but I saved my money and scrounged what ever I could to buy a house in the area KNOWING that was the only way in the long run to afford to live in this area…. but nobody gives me a break to live in brand new apartments just because….. it’s BS and you know it… I’d feel a little better knowing it would be high-rise luxury building… but no … they want to put the projects in our own back yard… in the end I’m with not having it at all just for area population reasons…
It’s the thin wedge to open the doors to overbuilding. A real estate “bubble” that will be caused by developers waiting for the cement to dry on this “charity” before proposing another block to drown in apartments and people, It’s rope-a-dope….
The newest real neighborhood victim will be Vernon Boulevard, as a developer wants a giant tower behind a sliver park and preserving an old building. (That’s the sweetener.) Of course, the minimum so-called affordable rents are thrown in, to gain the max height. Once that building variance is made, why not another? And another? Jane Jacobs would see the Robert Moses mass destruction of neighborhoods as gentle olde times, compared to this corruption by tidal waves of greed.
Since nobody here seems very clear on what Phipps is proposing, these are the monthly rents:
44 units at 50% AMI = $670 for a Studio ranging to $1,000 for 3 Bd
66 units at 100% AMI = $1,255 for a Studio to $2,190 for 3 Bd
110 units at 130% AMI = $1,643 for a Studio to $2,863 for 3 Bd
Because Phipps will receive subsidies from the city to build this, they will be required to keep this affordability for all units for at least 30 years.
I’m unclear how this qualifies as gentrification as opposed to a form of stabilization.
I fear that some young people aren’t really committed to living in NYC for the long run. I fear they want to change all these beautiful diverse neighborhoods into farm-to-table homogeneous great-to-live-in for a few years places and then decamp for Ohio, upstate or wherever they are from. Some of us are committed to living here for the long term and maybe chose Sunnyside because it was distinctly not Manhattan and don’t want it to turn into anything like Manhattan. Some of us worry about density and putting strains on public resources like schools, public transportation, street parking, parks, etc. because we have seen other neighborhoods become totally unrecognizable due to over development. The new people all love it and the people that used to live there are pushed out. By the way, these rents aren’t all that affordable in my book.
Ahem, truly a demonstration of untrammeled, unhinged, 19th Century unregulated capitalism, is to push down the weakest, rob them, and claim a “right” to do so. Unregulated, with $500,000 one can “buy” citizenship, or a place to rent for as much as the “market” can bear, except that the buyers are endless, the exploitation of rentals required, both to pay back the original loan enabling the buy, from the home country, and to enable another buy. New York is being raped by this perversion, and the enablers are Foxers who would buy any amount of this crime.
On topic, housing crush. On topic, 500,000 buys a condo/coop and entry to citizenship. On the housing topic, kindly pay attention to how abusing the messenger, no matter how poorly copy edited, takes attention from the crushing of our middle, by income and values.
Not a Fox watcher, but developers’ exploitation of oppressed working, poorly housed and employed citizens, who are willing to tolerate having neighborhoods vanish, and be pushed downward still more in the name of tolerance…one can take being punched out by developers taking our neighborhoods only so long. Keep your eyes on the topic.
Who is taking your neighborhood?
-Dana It’s being sold not taken. That’s how capitalism works.
@dana This all stems from the Consevative ideals of global competition to facilitates a conservative agenda and policy of low wages. Liberals are protectionist like Bernie Sanders. Why don’t you direct any of you anger at the people hiring these people? I’ll tell you why because you’re a duped brainwashed puppet of Fox News. Also I couldn’t really figure out why you hate these people whether it was because they’re foreign or because they were foreign and educated. I see plenty of American succeeding in this city. The fault is probably your own short comings.
Yep, definitely Mac.
Dana, You must be an anti immigrant politician. Your second post said the very same thing as your first ” value free” post. Dana go read a history book you fool NYC was always a city of immigrants even before the consolidation. So Angela is right this is still the same old argument concerning housing. Thanks for wasting everyone’s time.
Dana- don’t know if your typing with a cigarette in your mouth or a drink in your hand or maybe both- but man, you are making no sense at all
New college graduates…housing pressures come from the unlimited imported foreign born going to colleges all through the U.S. Colleges sharebthe responsibilty of encouraging mass migration, and thendumping new graduates here, yes, in New York, to compete formjobs, housing.
If newly trained graduates returned to their home countries to enrich and enliven the growth and diversitymofnthe country of origin, that would be the realization of a long held liberal ideal and wish.
Unfortunately, most leveragenthere way to citizenship, with the encouragement and often, the collusion of all of us used to the wonder of new friends from different countries. And the live…where? To compete for jobs…where? Perhaps, a history of exploitation and injustice, and criminality in government is not the proper background for full integration to fullynsharing the American dream.
Verbal abuse, that’s the least of it.
Sadly, unlimited illegal immigration is behind much of the housing stress. A plan to cover the entire Sunnyside yards/tracks is afoot, speculators count on unlimited housing pressure from the flood of migrants and new college graduates., and crashes are part of the cycle….with neighborhoods blighted for a decade or more. Ironically, low-middle housing in our ‘burbs is increasingly segregated by language and immigrant cultural pockets, leaving the City the only game there is. So the attack by Phipps (covering for the luxury builders ti come) should raise everyone’s guard. Fighting back when cornered, those are the fiercest.
-Dana So this is a different dynamic then the housing issues of the 1880’s, 1900″s, 1920’s, 1950’s, 1970’s???? You said a lot of nothing in your post. Next time how about a little “value added” to what you post. You bag of “valueless” wind.
South side and proud? South side is a mess and if that’s what makes you proud you don’t have a clue
Didn’t Sunnyside Gardens want to put a school right around there (conveniently, where it would be convenient for them and no other part of the neighborhood?) Now they want to keep out further development from the same area.
Gardens vs developers. If only they could both lose.
Close Phil but on the other side of the railroad tracks by Home Depot. This lot has been a parking lot forever. Neither of the sites are zoned residential and probably shouldn’t be rezoned either. Look what lives on top of the tracks on Roosevelt Ave, Jamaica Ave. and Sunrise Hwy. Do you really want the class of people who find living on top of train tracks desirable flooding your neighborhood?
So is the problem “gentrification” or its opposite?
“class of people” I hope I don’t have to live near a class of people like you.
-Your Conscence At least Barbara won’t rob you, burglarize your apartment while your at work, vandalize your home with graffiti or rape or kill your wife. Yeah “class” of people. Low class is low class. Ask people from South America and they will even tell you the people living on Roosevelt avenue under the el are almost all peasant “class”. Yes the word is “class”…..
Those development plans worry me because they indeed do not seem great for the infrastructure but also because they are banking on never-ending growth. Right now financial firms are not doing well, bonuses are capped and the high-end real estate market is slowing down. If this trickles down to our area, we will be left with not-so-great buildings and bankrupt owners. I wish we’d concentrate on quality housing, involving renovations of the existing stock and careful and sustainable growth.
Slowing Phipps down is one thing but bringing better alternatives is the key.
Hahahahaha who wants to live on the north side now?
Personally, I cannot wait to live in the new ‘Williamsburg’ IF that’s what Sunnyside actually turns into, not that I think it ever will. Sunnyside has a lot more problems than this one new building. Yes the 7 is overcrowded, but it’s overcrowded before it even reaches 40th Street. Rents will go up, but they do anyway, if you are out priced, that sucks but I hear Texas is lovely (and cheap) this time of year. Are there greedy businessmen behind the area’s progression… yes, but that doesn’t mean that the area won’t benefit from it. If the area didn’t progress it would still be crack dens and whore houses. All the efforts to stop progress are at best a slow tactic, change is inevitable. LIC is still growing, it won’t be long until Sunnyside has its share of luxury condo’s (LIC will run out of room eventually).
-abide Crack dens and whore houses? I lived in Sunnyside since the 1950’s you need to check facts.
is the building not going to be for low income people? They don’t work anyhow so the 7 train won’t see much of an increase.
Low income means they work stupid.
then they should try working intelligently
Yes north side all low intelligent and people with limited and diminished capacity should be there for the plucking and allowed to used as slave labor by the more fortunate. You sound like a narrow minded self centered creep. A spoiled self centered child of privelige.
“SPOILED” “FORTUNATE” PRIVELIGE” “SELF CENTERED” Thats 100% me & i love it.
The boy posting as north side is young and naive and still hasn’t lived long enough to know you could go from high powered and high earning to low earning or even disabled without a prospect in the blink of an eye. Hopefully the naive jerk doesn’t find out the hard way.
I don’t understand why this building, which is slated to add more affordable units, is drawing this fire. Developers continue to put up large luxury rental buildings on Queens bvld and NOBODY complains. Well why not, its putting stress on the infrastructure and driving up rents right? The only reason this group of 6 people are complaining is because they live right down the street and don’t want to deal with the construction/parking issues this development will temporarily cause. Of course, they can’t just come out and say NIMBY because that won’t work.
What does “gentrification” even mean in this case? It’s been a mostly white middle-class neighborhood for a hundred years; this building isn’t going to change anything.
You aren’t very smart, are you? Reread this comment in ten years and wince.
There is a big push to build over ALL the LIRR tracks. Councilman Van Bramer signed on while the idea was newly floated. A Trump-sized neighborhood-breaker.
So a group of folks who happened to get hereverything first want to lock the barn door now? I wonder if folks who tries to keep the upper west side a farm a century ago used the same misguided logic? The transportation infrastructure and close proximity make Sunnyside the logical place to build more densely populated houting capacity. There will ALWAY be capacity issues but these just have to be worked through simultaneously as progress. What’s the alternative build even more roads and trains to transport people and move all the poor folks even further from the city say Riverhead and make them spend time and money commuting?? Alot of these folks are also economic rent seekers who want to use the planning laws to preserve affairs to their liking without regards for the economy or others. if you were fortunate to be here when the neighbourhood was a different place then good for you but time moves on.
I wish time had left idiots like you in its wake. Name me a group of people that welcome a horde who wants to change everything so they feel good and I will name you and extinct people.
Go put a paper bag over your head and go find a dark hole somewhere to hide. Maybe some archaeologists will dig your fossilized ass out some day along with the other dinosaurs. We live in a neighborhood in one of the world’s biggest cities and u want to run it like its ur exclusive preserve. Go look at a map sometime moron. If you want to live in Mayberry go move to bumblefuck in the sticks the rest of us have better things to do. A few deluded NIMBYists may do better out there;
You are as crude as you are mean and primitive. Truly primitive.
“Name me a group of people that welcome a horde who wants to change everything so they feel good and I will name you and extinct people.”
..sure..It’s called a popular democracy last time I checked…welcome to NYC and America!
I wonder how many actual home owners will join.
They won’t join because they think they will make money. But when they see a line of ten story building from Woodside Avenue to 43rd St. And their blocks go from fairly quiet to bumper-to-bumper, they might look back and say, “I should have.”
It is zoned for manufacturing because it is unhealthy for people to live on top of rail road tracks. If they wanted to build affordable housing they had a perfectly good lot on 39th Avenue that sat empty for more than a decade. They don’t want to build affordable housing, they want to make money. They let that lot sit empty and “desolate” as they tried to tell people who have lived next to it for about 60 years because they didn’t like the profit margin. And if you think the simply law of supply and demand is at work in NYC in the 2010s, you are a simpleton. It is a rigged as Houdini in a trunk. Wake up.
sure these six people have what they already have, a nice home and probably a sunny garden, so they have to resist all change. young people need places to live too! its not all about you gramps!
more units actually HELPS ease the pressure on rents, this guys is so damn against it he will say anything to stop it. even something thats not true.
You sure have your head in/ the clouds. Young people can/ do what other generations of young people have done, move out where the rents are cheaper. Expecting older people to make room for you is childish.
Is it childish to ask “older people to make room”, though? Current residents are not being asked to rent out bedrooms in their houses at below market rates, a company instead is trying to build more housing on private land it owns….
Yes a group of 6 people who don’t understand f supply-side economics. What a sad group of uninformed. I love the logic: if you build more housing stock, then rents will rise?! Yeah that makes sense!? Leave the parking lot next to the tracks that happens to be owned by an affordable housing development organization. How dare they want to build affordable housing on a lot they have owned for 60 plus years!? What a joke
Phipps is deregulating Sunnyside Garden Apartments as we speak, and 150% AMI is not affordable. As more developments like this get built rent will go up for everyone (along with AMI). On top of that, parking is already impossible and we’re going to lose net about 120 spots and gain 200+ more residents, so, if you have a car, sucks for you.
This has nothing to do with supply-side economics. It is a matter of developers using zoning code to make more money for themselves and displace everyone else.
-Frederic “Supply side economics”?? Hahaha you’re a joke. NYC real estate is far from any form of “supply side economics”. Taxes, tax abatements, Gov’t regulation, Gov’t zoning and re-zoning etc. You’re the one who doesn’t understand the “theory of supply side economics”. Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of “the theory of supply side economics”. That parking lot wasn’t zoned residential for a reason. If market forces were really at play here would you really want hundreds of people who would choose to live over the rail way tracks flooding into your neighborhood? Blame Fox News is absolutely correct Fox News has turned you into a mindless zombie who has been robbed of your ability to reason and think rationally. Oh wait what you think doesn’t matter its trumped by what you feel and believe. LOL.
They become deregulated because people move out and the units are updated. At least the cap is now $2700 and not $2500 monthly
You should see the condition in some of these apartments. People have lived there for 25-30 years and the appointments are a complete wreck
I don’t care about your damn car or your parking spot. Let’s make all of Sunnyside a pedestrian only zone. Ride a bicycle you hypocrite.
Northsider, do you have kids and/or older people in your family. If/when you do, you might be a little more sympathetic. Not everyone can ride a bike due to age, disability, etc.
The vast majority of Sunnyside residents do not need a car and considering how congested our streets are already, this is good. There are so many more affordable and efficient methods of transportation available, and so many shops that are within walking distance of our homes.
Most of the people who live in Sunnyside do not have or need a car. There are so many more efficient and affordable transportation options available, and our streets are already so congested with traffic and inconsiderate drivers. Not sure how being elderly or disabled mean you need a car; there are better and easier ways to get around.
@Frederick Pay attention stupid the conversation is about quality of life concerns like overcrowded and failing infrastructure.
Mac, is that you?
Oh stop it “anti-gentrification group”, it’s 6 moaning old goats with an axe to grind. Sunnyside is on the up, get with it or get out.
There is no gentrification to this area. It’s already filled with middle class. Houses in Sunnyside Gardens have been selling at reasonable price points for a long time. In some instances at higher price points than Astoria.
This is not an area surrounded by projects with warehouses and industrial zones being completely upheaved for 40 story towers
There is no desirable waterfront. Most new people who come here don’t even want to live south of Queens Blvd once they see the Sunnyside gardens area of our neighborhood
This sums it up. Can’t wait to see my property value rise.. even more!!! Cha-Ching! Now I can afford to buy in.. Bushwick hahs..
Good idea but a waste of time if some political power stands to make a boatload of money. I applaud the effort but you don’t stand a chance. This neighborhood is already overcrowded. Madden company leaving won’t mean squat if the money is overwhelming. That property will get developed as well. Madden company probably has some tax break that the city/state would love to get rid of. Time to move out of here it’s getting as bad as astoria/l.i.c. amazing inthe 1970’s and 80’see you couldnt give this property away. The times they are a changing
I work over in Williamsburg, the rents, people and businesses are all changing at such a quick pace. A neighborhood full of character and personality changed into a somewhat Midtown Manhattan feel, with unaffordable stores, crowded streets and glass and steel architecture. The infrastructure will not be able to handle the population growth.
Our Sunnyside neighborhood cannot handle the population growth? Have you been on the 7 train lately? Where will the kindergarten seats come from? How about the lines in Stop & Shop?
I also work in Williamsburg – so we’re both experts!
Luckily we will never be inundated with this kind of growth. We are not a waterfront community, and only a small portion of our area is “historic” with even an ounce of “Brooklyn chic”
When we get a Trader Joe’s, a Whole Foods, a Konditori Coffee, a Manhattanville Coffee, and (most impossibly) a waterfront, then we should have a serious talk about a changing neighborhood.
Hi ,Williamsburg is crazy . On one side of the street people are paying top dollar for an apartment. When you cross the street people are paying nothing . They live for free. They can’t find a job in 100 years!
I live in Ridgewood Queens. I am so happy about the Gentrification change.I ‘am tired of living with non working class people living on section 8 and welfare. They bring down my local school since they don’t value education. These people who live for free are loud and not respecting the community. I find it appalling that most people who live off the government have new cars, and don’t work on the books( when they work) . They don’t want working class people living in their neighborhood. They want to run the block how they see fit. The police recently raided and arrested one of the biggest drug heroin traffickers in NYC on my block. Just for a side note his girlfriend and kids were living on welfare. They didn’t seem down and out to me, just playing the system. No one should ever live for free, unless they are disabled or old. Get these people out of here. You don’t work , you don’t eat! Affordable housing is one thing free section 8 is bad for the community!
-single mom In order to receive section 8 one must have a job. Please go educate yourself on a topic before shooting your mouth off, you could come off as ignorant.