Daniel Dromm’s view on “voting rights”

Print Friendly

11 Responses to Daniel Dromm’s view on “voting rights”

  1. get_to_the_point

    In other words, sneak in the country illegally and get to vote. Hey, can I hop the next plane to France or Mexico or just about any other country and get to choose their leaders too? I didn’t think so. Some politicians will do anything to scrounge up an election victory, American sovereignty and citizenship be damned.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  2. get_to_the_point

    Speaking of voting rights, how about the voting rights of NY State military personnel risking life and limb serving the country who were just disenfranchised out of their votes? Where’s the outrage over that? What about the voting rights of people in Nevada whose votes are being cancelled out in what looks like deliberate voter fraud. What about the voting rights of the people intimidated outside the polling station in Philadelphia in ’08 by baton wielding men?

    Let’s get out priorities in order.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  3. PatriotTours1

    Concilman Dromm, like many politicians today, is well meaning but does not fully understand the significance of “No taxation without representation”.

    This slogan was used by colonial Americans, subjects of King George III, against the British Crown in response to a series of taxes passed by the British Parliament, in which the colonies were not directly represented. (The Crown argued that the House of Commons provided them virtual representation.) These British subjects were CITIZENS of Great Britain and if they met voting requirements were able to participate in their local elections for assemblies and councils. Citizenship alone did not guarantee voting rights and as a result many colonists paid taxes levied by their local assemblies, but did not have the right to vote in elections for those assemblies.

    This was not a cry for everyone who paid any kind of tax to have the right to vote. It was a demand that the colonies be represented in the Parliament through their current election procedures. The closest analogy today would be if American citizens were able to vote in state and local elections, but unable to elect their federal representatives, who then voted to tax them for the federal government’s benefit.

    In the early 1800’s many states clarified their voting requirements. In NY all men of age who met a property requirement and had sworn an allegiance to the state were allowed to vote. In 1804 a citizenship requirement was added, but at that time the definition of citizen was still evolving in our new country and largely meant a citizen of the state. As time went on, further clarifications were made that generally allowed more people to vote. If states did not restrict voting on the basis of citizenship it was because the definition of citizen had not been fully established. This came with the ratification of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution in 1868.

    There is an easy solution to the dilemma these residents of the city face. Become a citizen of the United States of America as the many millions of immigrants did who made our nation great.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  4. Victor

    I would like to address some of the misinformation found in the comments of “get_to_the_point” and “PatriotTourist.”

    “In other words, sneak in the country illegally and get to vote.”

    Voting rights for LEGAL permanent residents and others here LEGALLY. Do you really think an undocumented residents are going to put their names on a roll of voters? Get real.

    “Hey, can I hop the next plane to France or Mexico or just about any other country and get to choose their leaders too? I didn’t think so.”

    Umm, actually there are a host of countries that recognize voting rights for all residents, not just citizens, at some level of government.

    “Some politicians will do anything to scrounge up an election victory, American sovereignty and citizenship be damned.”

    What are you talking about? How is American sovereignty and citizenship “damned”? You buying cheap goods from China is doing more to erode American sovereignty than is allowing local residents to have a say in running their city.

    “Speaking of voting rights, how about the voting rights of NY State military personnel ….”

    Again, what are you talking about? How do these issues affect allowing local residents to vote?

    PatriotTourist wrote: “These British subjects were CITIZENS of Great Britain and if they met voting requirements were able to participate in their local elections for assemblies and councils.”

    You are trying to give a history lesson, but you contradict yourself. The colonists were subjects of the British Crown, not citizens. There was not even the modern concept of citizenship at that time, as you yourself point out. As for the rest of your accoount, it supports Council Member Dromm’s use of the slogan “no taxation without representation.” He does not appear to be saying that the current situation is exactly the same as the late 18th century. The point is “if you pay, you should have a say.”

    “There is an easy solution to the dilemma these residents of the city face. Become a citizen of the United States of America as the many millions of immigrants did who made our nation great.”

    That’s what many are trying to do, but the process to become a citizen takes a LONG time. They should be able to vote in local matters in the meantime.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  5. steven

    Becoming a citizen should be a priority for anyone who has a genuine interest for the country they are residing in. It is difficult to learn a new language but being able to work hard and achieve citizenship carries more weight when it was accomplished by over coming difficulties. Anything worth having is worth working for.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  6. A Tarlow

    exactly, what is to point of becoming a citizen if legal aliens are granted all of the rights / privelidges of true citizenship. They should be applauded for going throught the rigirous process of becoming a US citizen & rewarded w/ voting rights once that (I’m sure quite long & tedious) process is complete. While they are awaiting citizenship legal aliens use public services (schools, roads, etc) like everyone else & should pay taxes.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  7. Time Flies

    @ A Tarlow

    You are 100% right.

    The process of becoming a citizen is long and tedious. They play by the rules, pay the fees, wait patiently, deal with surly bureaucrats and respect immigration law. It is a slap in the face to these decent men and women every time some hack politician lets someone jump the queue in front of them or give away something they spent years honestly trying to earn.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  8. PatriotTours1

    “The colonists were subjects of the British Crown, not citizens. There was not even the modern concept of citizenship at that time, as you yourself point out.”

    Would you argue, then, that today’s subjects of the British Crown are not citizens of the United Kingdom? We now use the terms interchangeably, even if they did not then, which was what I was doing in my post.

    “As for the rest of your accoount, it supports Council Member Dromm’s use of the slogan “no taxation without representation.” He does not appear to be saying that the current situation is exactly the same as the late 18th century. The point is “if you pay, you should have a say.””

    You must not have read my post thoroughly. Most people in the colonies did not have the right to vote in local elections yet recognized that their colonial assemblies passed laws governing their behavior. In NY to vote one had to be a free man with either an estate valued at 40 pounds or more or a free man who practiced one of many recognized trades. Slaves, indentured servants, tenant farmers, women, and others did not vote yet did not object to the authority of their local assemblies. There is absolutely no historic precedent for people to vote in local elections without some type of restriction.

    In addition, those voting requirements encouraged newcomers to become landowners or tradesmen, which added to the prosperity of the colony.

    “That’s what many are trying to do, but the process to become a citizen takes a LONG time. They should be able to vote in local matters in the meantime.”

    How would this be managed? A period of time that one can vote until becoming a citizen? And if one does not become a citizen, what then, are the votes cast during that time rescinded?

    Although I do not agree with it I have no objection to the phrase “if you pay you should have a say”, only to equating it to early protests over taxation.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  9. Thomas Quinn

    I have noticed that almost every post on this page is an undereducated gesture of some form or another. A company called Pearson Operating for the government out Lawrence, Kansas is Prime example of how hard they have made it to get citizenship in this country and those who meet the requirements are being neglected on waiting lists that stretch out for years to come.

    America’s colonies and the Pioneers who started this country were formed by immigrants that befriended the Native people of WHAT IS ONLY OUR COUNTRY TODAY and then slaughtered them in a violent abuse of power.
    Had they not first been befriended the Indians, starting with the pilgrims they would have been thrown back to the shore and arrowed off, not even knowing what hit them.

    History proves nothing any of you can say with too much pride will hold any true value: get_to_the_point and Victor are prime examples, need I elborate? Remember there is a big difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants. So just Remember that. Many immigrants without citizenship come here to go to college and end up making babies and starting busnesses.

    I have a long list of books you should go read, none of which have any political meaning.

    This is off the subject but the corporate world has surpressed free energy devices so we keep having to pay to fill ther pockets. Perpetual motion home generators exist today and for every one part enery input five parts energy output is produced.

    What is water??? H2O: Hydrogen and oxygen, two very explosive forms of gas that when when burned together turn back into water.
    With electrolysis, hydrogen and oxygen can be separated and power a vehicle for up to 100 miles per gallon at 26 times more powerful than any petrolium we can produce. Stan Myer a very healthy and brilliant inventor/Genious was poisoned in 1998 by arab oil companies that offered him over a billion for his water powered car. He said no way this is for the people. What a shame that even Arabs have more power than we do in our own country.

    If we want to make a real change, those of us entitled to vote should put a stop to these corporations controling the energy in this country. That, I believe, is a great place to start making a difference cause I’m calling bullishit on the ethics of this country, especially in the medical world where a poor familily doesnt even have the option of getting their dying son on the waitlist for a transplant even if they find a perfect match.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  10. Hopeonhorizon

    Councilman is a typical demagogue whose only goal is to stay on the City Council. For that he’ll do and say anything, it seems. Without any regard to our laws. That’s coming from a first generation immigrant, who came here legally, 20 years ago, and waited for his citizenship to get the right to vote.

    Like(0)Dislike(0)
  11. me

    I never heard a more inept, absurd and outrageous proposal in my entire life. I am European citizen, legally coming and residing in the US/ NYC. Over my lifetime I never heard any nation or party in a nation to make such proposal. In Europe one would end up in prison just for making such claim! I hope Americans will understand the insanity of the Democratic Party and will vote different in 2012 too! If no consider moving to Canada or EU for life in NYC is already bellow any standards because of illegals!

    Like(0)Dislike(0)

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published.

Latest News

Colorful “Cloud” and Reflective Wading Pool To Come to PS1 Courtyard this Summer
February 5, By Jackie Strawbridge
Visitors to MoMA PS1 this summer will be able to cool off at a reflective wading pool or under a brightly colored “cloud” of rope. MoMA PS1, located at 22-25 Jackson Ave., announced Escobedo Soliz Studio as the winner of its annual Young Architects Program.…
Council Gives Itself 32% Pay Raise, Supported by Western Queens Councilmembers
February 5, By Jackie Strawbridge
The City Council voted overwhelmingly to give themselves a 32 percent pay raise on Friday, bringing their salaries from $112,500 to $148,500. Council Members voted 40 to 7 in approval of the pay raises.…
Man sought by police after grabbing woman’s buttocks on 7 train
February 4, Staff Report
The police are searching for a man who allegedly grabbed a 27-year-old woman’s buttocks on a Manhattan-bound 7 train near the 61st Street/Woodside station Monday. The incident took place on Feb. 1, at 8:20 am,…
Best Buy Repairman Finds Child Porn On Customer Computer, Customer About To Get Prison Time
February 3, By Christian Murray
A 63-year-old East Elmhurst man pleaded guilty today to child pornography charges and faces between one to three years in prison upon sentencing, according to the Queens District Attorney’s Office. The defendant, Michael Murray,…
Dollar Tree Sprouts On Queens Boulevard, Replaces Deals
February 3, By Christian Murray
Deals, which opened a Sunnyside store touting low prices on everyday essentials in 2011, has been transformed into a Dollar Tree store. The change, which went into effect at the 39-01 Queens Boulevard store last week,…
Q70 Bus To LGA Will Increase Service Starting This Spring
February 2, Staff Report
The MTA will increase service on the Q70 bus this spring to meet the needs of its growing ridership. The Q70 Limited, which runs to LaGuardia Airport via Woodside and Jackson Heights, has seen its customers double in recent years.…
OT Lounge Listed For Sale After A Rocky Stint On Queens Blvd
February 2, Staff Report
OT, the Greek restaurant located at 39-31 Queens Blvd., is for sale. The business has been listed on Craigslist. The ad reads that more than $500,000 has been invested in the establishment and that it is ready to open for a new operator.…
Queens Boulevard Property To Get Three Additional Stories
February 2, Staff Report
A two-story building located at 37-02 Queens Boulevard is about to undergo a growth spurt. The property, which was once occupied by the Queens Furniture Outlet, will be getting three additional floors that will be used for office space.…
Demolition permit filed for Queens Boulevard building
January 29, Staff Report
A Queens Boulevard industrial building is scheduled for demolition. The owner of 38-01 Queens Blvd. filed demolition plans with the Department of Buildings on Thursday. The building is owned by Curbcut Queens Blvd, which purchased the property for $12,070,000 in December,…

Social

LIC Post shared Sunnyside Post's post. ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Astoria House Sells For $2 million: Realtor ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Town Hall Meetings On Snowstorm Response Planned This Week ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Astoria Post shared LIC Post's post. ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

80-Story Tower Planned to Rise Above Citi Tower, Stands to Be Queens' Tallest ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

For Local Artists, Little Relief From The Threat of Displacement ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Woman's thigh is slashed while jogging in East Elmhurst ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Woman's thigh slashed while jogging in East Elmhurst ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Man Stabbed on Steinway Street early Saturday morning, police say ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Colorful “Cloud” and Reflective Wading Pool To Come to PS1 Courtyard this Summer ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Paragon Paint Development Hits Roadblock At CB 2 ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Council gives itself 32 percent pay raise, supported by western Queens Councilmembers ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Transit Officers Assaulted While Removing Screaming Man From Jackson Heights Train Station ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Colombian Themed Burger Restaurant Opens On Northern Blvd ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Sewerage from Astoria Pool Facilities Has Flowed Into East River for Decades ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Fitness Studio On Jackson Avenue to Close As Wrecking Ball Nears ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Astoria Park Amphitheater Too Expensive to Build All at Once, Project Will Be Built into Stages ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Voting schedule for participatory budgeting released ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Mayor Plans Streetcar System Linking Queens and Brooklyn ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

Best Buy Repairman Finds Child Porn On Customer Computer, Customer to get prison time ... See MoreSee Less

View on Facebook

More Headlines

OT Lounge Listed For Sale After A Rocky Stint On Queens Blvd
February 2, Staff Report
OT, the Greek restaurant located at 39-31 Queens Blvd., is for sale. The business has been listed on Craigslist. The ad reads that more than $500,000 has been invested in the establishment and that it is ready to open for a new operator.…
Queens Boulevard Property To Get Three Additional Stories
February 2, Staff Report
A two-story building located at 37-02 Queens Boulevard is about to undergo a growth spurt. The property, which was once occupied by the Queens Furniture Outlet, will be getting three additional floors that will be used for office space.…
Demolition permit filed for Queens Boulevard building
January 29, Staff Report
A Queens Boulevard industrial building is scheduled for demolition. The owner of 38-01 Queens Blvd. filed demolition plans with the Department of Buildings on Thursday. The building is owned by Curbcut Queens Blvd, which purchased the property for $12,070,000 in December,…
NYPD: Grinch attempts to destroy Christmas lights at Woodside church
January 29, Staff Report
Police are searching for a man who tried to destroy the Christmas lights at a Woodside church by pouring water over the circuitry. The suspect entered Corpus Christi Church, located at 31-30 61st Street at 7:50 am on Christmas Eve,…
Van Bramer issues report card: Visibility and Social Media are key to his results
January 28, By Christian Murray
It’s 6:30 a.m. and the notoriously bad 7 train is down again. The MTA says it’s signal problems. “My phone blows up, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, it’s all going crazy,” Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer remembered.…
MTA Approves Major East Side Access Contracts For Connections From Queens To Grand Central
January 28, By Jackie Strawbridge
The MTA has approved contracts for the construction of a Long Island Rail Road terminal under Grand Central, as well as tunnel approaches in Sunnyside connecting that terminal to Queens. East Side Access is one of the largest transportation projects in the country,…
Brothers who ‘bought’ woman for $200 and kept her in Woodside hotel for sex get up to nine years prison
January 28, By Christian Murray
Two brothers who pleaded guilty to felony charges in a case where a 25-year-old woman was “bought” for $200 and then held against her will for a week while she was forced to have sex were sentenced today.…
Video: Queens Blvd redesign block by block
The Transformation of Queens Boulevard, Block By Block from STREETFILMS on Vimeo. January 27, Staff Report
A block-by-block video that details all the changes made to Queens Blvd since last summer has been released. Ryan Russo, representing the New York City Department of Transportation,…
Mayor Visits Sunnyside/Woodside After Disappointing Storm Response In Queens
January 25, By Michael Florio
Mayor Bill de Blasio visited western Queens Monday morning following statements that he was not satisfied with cleanup efforts here during Winter Storm Jonas. During a press conference on Sunday, the Mayor said that the City did not do a good enough job clearing the streets in Queens,…
7 Train to Shutdown at 4:00 PM for Winter Storm Jonas
January 23, Staff Report
The New York City Transit Authority and the MTA jointly announced that all above ground and elevated subway lines, including the 7 line, will begin shutting down at 4:00 pm today, with limited underground trains running.…
7 Train To Follow Normal Schedule This Weekend, Scheduled Track Work Canceled
January 22, Staff Report
With a snowstorm expected to hit New York City, the MTA has canceled its 7 train work this weekend and the train will follow its normal schedule. This weekend was supposed to be the first of eight weekends this year when the 7 train would be down between Queensboro Plaza and Times Square in order for the MTA to replace its decades-old signaling system and put down new tracks.…
School likely to open in Sunnyside/Woodside, as mayor allocates $200 million for district schools
January 22, By Christian Murray
Mayor Bill de Blasio has set aside funds for a new school in Sunnyside/Woodside, according to Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer. The mayor released his 2017 preliminary budget yesterday, which allocates $200 million for schools in Long Island City,…
Attorney General Targets Local Dealership for Alleged Fraud
January 21, Staff Report
The Koeppel car dealerships, several of which are located on Northern Boulevard, have been slapped with a lawsuit by New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman for unlawfully selling credit repair and identity theft protection.…
Merchant Spotlight: Souk El Shater
January 21, Sunnyside Shines
Ahmad Osman serves up some of the best falafel, gyro and baklava in Sunnyside. Along with his family, Ahmad has operated Souk El Shater on Queens Boulevard since 2011, and prior to that, he was in business on 43rd Avenue.…

In the Spotlight